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Posted by:
Ken Vanderburg
Sunday, November 01, 2009
04:38 pm | when we loaded the bike on the trailer, we noticed the rear tire is rubbing on shaft housing?
I jacked it up today, tire pressure was 20, so I upped it to 40,took it for ride and its still rubbing,ever so gently though, how much clearance should there be guys? it has a complete rear diff and wheel from a newer 1500.I put sheet of 80 grit sandpaper between tire and housing and sanded off a lot of crap.but my 1100 had 1/2 inch clearance?
rear bearing is tight? no swing arm movement by grabbing the wheel it has a 160-80 16 Dunlop E3 tire.
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Posted by:
Bob Kekeis
Sunday, November 01, 2009
04:46 pm | I think it should be 180-60 16.
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Posted by:
Michael Briese
Sunday, November 01, 2009
05:04 pm | Yes, it should be 160/80-16 tire. I am sure you just transposed some numbers Ken.
Be that as it may, you should not have a tire rubbing on anything. The tire should be equidistant between the swing-arm sides. If it is not clear of the swing arm and shaft housing, you need to dig into it and find out why.
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Posted by:
James Bertuca
Sunday, November 01, 2009
05:27 pm | Did check your caliper sub-assy, sounds like it's loose, have you had any work done back there?
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Posted by:
Mikeee Jennings
Sunday, November 01, 2009
05:36 pm | Ken,was it rubbing before the side car was put on?How is the car mounted how is the camber and toe-in on the car and the bike?
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Posted by:
Ross Olson
Sunday, November 01, 2009
05:57 pm | If I remember right when the tire is put on there are certain steps to follow. Correct me if I am wrong but if memory serves me it was to put in axle leaving the pinch bolts loose and tighten the axle nut first then the pinch bolts. If this is not done you will get rubbing. |
Posted by:
Albert Schuman
Sunday, November 01, 2009
07:16 pm | Ken, Ross has a point well taken, too is the spacer in the correct position. Axle shaft through the swingarm, then washer then brake mount then spacer. |
Posted by:
Ken Vanderburg
Sunday, November 01, 2009
08:01 pm | The newer wheel and tire was on when I bought it 15 months ago. we doubled on it for 1000 miles this summer, never noticed any rubbing ,I was always laying on ground checking the tire pressure before every ride.
The side car was adjusted and test driven by the installers.they said this was the 45th side car install, BUT first Gold Wing.I jacked it up today, grabbed the wheel with hand and shook it, no movement ,But no clearance between tire and shaft housing.Dam, always something.
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Posted by:
Mikeee Jennings
Sunday, November 01, 2009
08:29 pm | Ken,think about it,it never rubbed before the hack and now it is.Also this is the first Wing they have ever done.
I would take it back to the installer and tell him what you found.
Something is not right with the sidecar or the installer.
Mikeee(hope it works out)Whiz-Kid
(Message edited on November 01, 2009)
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Posted by:
Ross Olson
Sunday, November 01, 2009
08:38 pm | Did the installer remove the tire?? I would find out
not to blame but to let them know |
Posted by:
Ken Vanderburg
Sunday, November 01, 2009
08:47 pm | Ross, was no reason to remove rear tire,all mounts clamp externally.except frt upper. had to cut a i inch hole in tupperware.
Im not hauling it back 200 miles, they can advise me how to adjust the arms,must be too tight,pulling frame together on right side.
It does pull to the right on accelleration and goes to the left when I back off the gas? is that normal ?
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Posted by:
Mikeee Jennings
Sunday, November 01, 2009
09:12 pm | Ken yes it is normal for the pulling on gas and braking and also a shake at low speeds.
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Posted by:
Darrell Robson
Sunday, November 01, 2009
09:39 pm | I'm not sure about the "shake at low speeds", because I have none of that on my rig. But, yes, you will get some pull to the right on accelerating, but should not be too bad. Not sure why the tire rubs now, when it did not before the sidecar install. Even if the wheel alignment on the side car is off, it should not affect the bike tire/wheel clearance. |
Posted by:
James Jones
Monday, November 02, 2009
06:10 am | It sounds to me like they might have left the spacer washer out of the install. Looking at the axle on the left side, there should be a spacer washer just inside of the left swing arm and then the brake stay arm then the spacer that fits just inside of the wheel grease seal. The one thing you did not explain was which side was it rubbing on?
James I. Jones |
Posted by:
Ken Vanderburg
Monday, November 02, 2009
06:41 am |
Darrel, I never said it had a slow speed wobble.
James, the side car shop never had rear wheel off, the wheel was just installed by seller of the bike 15 months ago,But we doubled on it for 1000 miles this yr?and I never noticed rubbing before and I lay down beside the bike before every ride?
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Posted by:
Darrell Robson
Monday, November 02, 2009
08:00 am | Ken,
I was responding to the post addressing slow speed wobble, (by Mikeee) which is not normal. Still don't know what the problem about tire clearance could be.
(Message edited on November 02, 2009) |
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Monday, November 02, 2009
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Posted by:
Ken Vanderburg
Monday, November 02, 2009
08:43 am | heres pics of the side car mounts the bottom 2 are solid and top are are adjustable. and heres rear tire,Tire rubbing
so if the spacer was missing,wouldnt the wheel be closer to the other side?
Ken VanderBurg
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Posted by:
Albert Schuman
Monday, November 02, 2009
09:47 am | Ken if for nothing else but peace of mind check and see if the spacer was faced the correct way, think of a T laid on it`s side the base of the T should face into the rim / tire. If not then the tire couldn`t go left enough ( as you ride ). |
Posted by:
Mikeee Jennings
Monday, November 02, 2009
10:49 am | Ken,you might try this site,
www.sidecar.com
Mikeee( are plenty of sidecarist there)Whiz-Kid
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1988 HD Soft Tail
1989 HD Soft Tail
2003 Honda 750 Shadow(for sale and all $ goes to PIF)
2005 HD Ultra Classic
2006 HD Ultra Classic
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Posted by:
Dallas Neumiller
Monday, November 02, 2009
11:48 am | Your picture shows the lower mount some where in the back of the bike. It does not happen to mount on the swing arm does it? Who built the mounts for it?
Dallas Neumiller |
Posted by:
Raymond Sykes
Monday, November 02, 2009
11:59 am | If it is attached to the swing arm I would guess they damaged the swing arm or the bushings to it. |
Posted by:
Gary Verhulst
Monday, November 02, 2009
02:34 pm | Ken the only thing that will allow the wheel to move over is a bad bearing in the wheel just had one this week-end at a rally had to replace both bearings.The side-car has nothing to do with the spacing.You could also have a bad blader in the air assist on the right side.
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Posted by:
Mikeee Jennings
Monday, November 02, 2009
03:08 pm | Darrell,some rigs will have a low speed wobble.
Gary V. how does a person check for the bearings?
Your idea sounds like the best.
Mikeee(love my 3 wheels)Whiz-Kid |
Posted by:
Gary Verhulst
Monday, November 02, 2009
03:30 pm | you have to pull the wheel and remove the drive gear you have a right and left.The bad one I had was on the right which allowed the wheel to rub bad.The sad part is that he just had the final drive replaced and he told them to check the bearings.
Gary Verhulst
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Posted by:
Mikeee Jennings
Monday, November 02, 2009
04:08 pm | Thanks Gary for you information.
Mikeee(I will store this)Whiz-Kid |
Posted by:
Ken Vanderburg
Monday, November 02, 2009
05:06 pm | rear mount not on swing arm, these guys are Professionl Motorcycle Techs,been installing hacks for 10 yrs, and I double checked all the mounts, I wasnt born last tuesday either..( wednsday) LOL
they suggest to remove the wheel, check the spacer, and if in right to install a narrower tire? so thats the plan.Take to my sons bike shop and put on there Quad hoist and take it apart. |
Posted by:
Mikeee Jennings
Monday, November 02, 2009
06:23 pm | Ken,installing a smaller tire doesn't make sence.
I think Gary V is on the right direction on this.
If I'm correct you said that the bike was leaning right,if so the bike should lean left a small bit with a car on it.
Mikeee(let us know)Whiz-Kid |
Posted by:
Michael Stone
Monday, November 02, 2009
06:33 pm | I don't understand how the bushing can be reversed or the washer left out and the caliper still fit over the rotor. |
Posted by:
Ken Vanderburg
Monday, November 02, 2009
07:08 pm | Im going to put it in the barn till spring, my sons leaving for 8 weeks to finish his motorcycle tech training,dont want to bother him on his last week at work. |
Posted by:
Ken Vanderburg
Tuesday, November 03, 2009
08:05 am | I got this email,,does it sound right to you ,my son said he ran into that few times at Honda dealer with higher mileage wings.
I have been following your thread on GWRRA, regarding tyre.swing arm issues.
The Tyre does not run in centre of swing arm, If you take out the
wheel you will probably find corrosion in the seam of the swing arm
which swells out and touches tyre.
If the swing arm is in sound condition, scrape out corrosion and
gently tap the 2 seams back together and fill gap with RTV or similar
to keep out corrosion.
I have had this on 3 1500's
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